The valiant Defenders of Ukraine

What are you smoking?

Zuroff said to DW according to DW:

ā€œThereā€™s been a monumental and highly significant changeā€ in German prosecution policy,"

A highly significant changes MEANS it was BAD before. So the A is for the highly significant positive changes AT THAT time 2010 . The Wiesenthal Center canā€™t change history but definitely give credit to good people and blame bad ones. (Also with Germans).

Oh and if you write ā€œAlternate Historyā€ A lot of people will assume you insunuate falsification. How else should I have read this? (without going into alternate Unverses)

Your lnon-ogic simply makes no sense whatsoever unless your only goal is to hate the Simon Wiesenthal Human Rights Organisation , misconstruing their words like a good whatever.

Oh and Zuroff was furious about the German refusal to prosecute Babi Yar SS einsatzgruppe C . You know were Germans willingly raped women again and again and murdered them.

See Babi Yar link below:
the Simon Wiesenthal Centreā€™s chief Nazi-hunter Dr. Efraim Zuroff said: ā€œItā€™s a disgrace that he is free and the prosecutorā€™s office in Kassel closed their investigation into him. You canā€™t understand why these people are not being brought to trial.

ā€œI canā€™t tell you how shocked I was when they claimed that there is not enough evidence against Wahler to put him on trial. This man was a member of Einsatzgruppe C ā€“ an SS death squad. It was tasked with carrying out mass murder. That was the exact purpose of these murder squads. What else exactly do they need as proof?ā€

In the same article he comments the good German Hans-Peter Klein as he is outraged too at the lack of prosecution.

See the SWC has a VERY balanced view and prosecuting the perpetrators is critical to prevent similar things in future. NEVER FORGET!
Last member of Babyn Yar SS murder squad ā€˜must be put on trialā€™ - The Jewish Chronicle (thejc.com)

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I accept your point.

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Hi Gerhard, thank you very much. I really appreciate it.

Best Regards,
Marc/Chew

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Wow cnn quality on display. War intensifies as a Chiron for an anti war rap concert. Not for bombing a theater full of kids.

Speaking of coverage, does anyone get the feeling they are doing their best to sanitize this? Letā€™s not show all the horrors because you donā€™t know how people would react.

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In this case it was my sanitizing, chosing positiv news. There are lot of bad news avaiable.

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Certainly no criticism implied. When I was growing up during the Vietnam war there were iconic images which seemed to change how people felt about the war. The most memorable for me was the girl running naked an burned after her village was napalmed. When I see coverage from today I donā€™t see them trying to show the barbarity of war. I think back to the Japanese bayoneting civilians in Nanking. People donā€™t forget that stuff like ever.

I feel that changed at least here in the US. After 9/11 there were chilling photos shown once then removed from media. I think the emphasis changed from depict the horrors to depict a little but donā€™t let it get in the way and spoil the program. News is a business after all.

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The Russians (clip from Istambul) have seen enough to flee their country. And the clip was about refugees finding together (the little positive thing). And protesting against their goverment.

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Interesting analyses by Mark Felton, there are more areas at risk of being invaded.

Putinā€™s Next Target? The Moldova - Transnistria Issue - YouTube

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Yes I noticed, back then (and maybe now too) there was also opposition to not showing the casualties as it sanitized the war/terrorist attacks. Maybe also not to upset the viewers or with commercial stations the advertisers or Government funded the whoever controls the funding.

Also I also the showing of enemy war dead is more and more at odds with humanitarian law. I tried to open IHL 113 treatment of war death but that site was suprisingly down (the link to the rules on this website:
ICRC databases on international humanitarian law | International Committee of the Red Cross

Here is a site which also claims that you cannot just use dead opponents for propaganda. I think the views are changing over time. And yes Russia does the same. And the Ukraine is desperately fighting for survival so I can see why they do it.

Ukraineā€™s Telegram channel of dead Russians may violate Geneva Conventions - The Washington Post

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Great point
That is indeed a positive thing. Note: I know some Russians who turned from ā€œpro-Putinā€ in 2015 to very publicly anti-Putin. These people in my view are brave as the long arms of Putin can cause trouble for you. Also some of them stay quiet as they donā€™t want to be thrown in jail or worse whenever they get back to Russia. Freedom of speech is not everywhere :frowning:

These people are taking risks as well.

We actually learned about this weeks ago when Lukashenko filmed a video explaining the problems in Ukraine and accidentally ended up using a military map. That map showed not only the key targets for the Russian military, but also arrows pointing to the direction of the planned offensives. We saw many of them happen, but also some that were foiled. That included a planned offensive into Transistria.

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I know, I thought it would be a deception but like a James Bond Villain :woman_supervillain: he showed us the plans in detail, albeit on a 3 Euro gas station map :world_map: :thinking::joy:. Unbelievable

The text is German, but the pictures are bad enough.

The headline: Why?-Why?-Why?-Mariupol-dronws-in-despair. And in the text is no better news.

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But now the risk is no longer a fantasy. Putin has chanced Germany and it eastern allies, and has lost much of Russian military power. As civillians we should more care about the 3 million + refugees.

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You are right those pictures tell a whole story even though I donā€™t speak German.thank you.

I cannot imagine an American news media carrying this. More is the pity maybe it would shock the pro war hawks. Maybe not too.

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Iā€™m reading this weekend from the UK, which might be biased, that Germany has not delivered but a small percentage of arms promised to Ukraine. And of course, Russian gas continues to flow. Are Ukrainianian requests wearing out their welcome? Statements about wanting to give diplomacy every chance sound good but if we agree to help, letā€™s live up to our word.

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This was discussed on another forum I frequent. In short, you are right that it is biased.

Basically Germany had promised to deliver its old stockpile of Soviet anti-air missiles (I canā€™t remember the model) and the initial number that was promised was the one that they had on paper. They were around 22 000, but only around 5 000 were sent, likely since the other 17 000 were deemed unusable. Theyā€™ve been sitting in storage for decades after all.

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