The valiant Defenders of Ukraine

I just can’t get it out of my head though that it was reported he wanted the U.S. to leave NATO. I don’t know if that was seriously considered though.

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And in Germany the German winter is comming, but the central goverment is supporting local institutions to be ready to deal with the Ukrainian winter.

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Your central government is planning for winter supplies in Germany or winter supplies in Ukraine? Germany seems better prepared than some.

Britain announced yesterday they were planning for the possibility of 4 hour rolling blackouts. Good thing is it doesn’t get too cold there. Bad thing is they don’t currently have protections for cell towers in case of a blackout.

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Not supplies but preparations for more refugees. I do not know how much prepared Germany is, all civil defence structures of the cold war are lost

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Well Scott Adams had an interesting possi

Same here In the Netherlands, also some industries are thinking about moving facilities to lower energy costs areas. The EU is working on common solutions as that is better than trying to outcompete each other with tax money.

Also I am more worried about eg poor African Countries that are hit much much harder by rising grain prices.

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Scott Adams describes a scenario I am not sure :thinking: what to think of it:

We will seem to go to the brink of nuclear war as negotiations are the absolute last resort and only happen when one side has no alternative.

My initial thoughts:
Might be true but this ever escalating war might in a few months result in a “small tactical nuke” as well. The people who warned about this are no longer invited. The message now is “Putin will then commit suicide and thus will not do this as he is rational”

However as much As I admired Schroeder for his Iraq stance and understand the fluent Russian speaking Merkel when she tried to make Putin understand her point. The problem is that 2 smart people misread his mind among many non-German others.

To put the horrible scenario on the table. Would France/UK/USA go full DEFCON 1 total Nuclear :radioactive: strike against Moscow against IF Putin would use a tactical nuke to wipe out a Ukrainian Army/city?

I can’t mind read Putin and am pro Ukraine :ukraine: but I am sure the above scenario already is being considered by all military’s involved no matter what they say.

Chew

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Yes the third world counties what will happen to them? We are just in the final harvest season and a month from now we will have an idea of how much food we have. I hope I’m surprised but I don’t know.

I think Europe has done a great job of pulling together. It looks like they might have enough gas to survive a normal winter. But all this assumes nothing else bad happens.

I think the Scott Adam’s scenario is a bit conservative. If I were Russia if you use one tactical nuke, the shit hits the fan. Might as well make an effective strike and hit the supply and concentration points. Maybe 1/2 dozen Nukes would severely cut Ukrainian capability but used against the military would not kill a large number of civilians. What does NATO do?

Over here our President is saying he believes Putin’s nuclear threats and we are closer to Armageddon than anytime since the Cuban missile crisis 60 years ago. What are we willing to risk for someone who is not even an Ally? When is it enough? The US is actually escalating the arms being supplied with new systems for the Himars.

You are right that a lot of green clad people are thinking about this a lot more than they were a year ago.

I would love Ukraine to be free. They have fought magnificently. But they are a medium size corrupt country being attacked by a huge corrupt country and I think it’s reasonable to say being supplied by countries with ulterior motives and a bad track record of predicting what Russia will do. I just don’t trust this.

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From “The Kyiv Independent”:

“Our doctrine is based on the fundamental interests of (our) nation, and they are clearly defined. If there were a nuclear ballistic attack in Ukraine, these interests would not be called into question,” French President Emmanuel Macron told France 2 on Oct. 12, referring to France’s nuclear doctrine of deterrence.<<

So is US nuklear doctrine, so no US nuklear answer, and no nuklear response with US warheads in Nuklear Sharing.

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One thing is for sure , if Russia uses a nuke then they are no longer a deterrent but a normal weapon to be used and we will see them used more and more.
Not only by Russia but as more and more countries will start to use them it will be the end of the world as we know it.

I do not think all countries would use them but that Orange nutjob would have loved to use one on the Mexican border.
He wanted to use one to try and stop a storm
Or Israel using several tacticals on palastine
China dumping some on Taiwan

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Good point. This just came out. Borrel set out an escalation path but I wonder if NATO would really bomb Russian forces in Russia. With the Armageddon speech and a history of misreading Putin I am not happy with this.

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Putin and Russian media made (un)clear that the Russian nuklear doctrin has not changed. Using nuklear weapons when the existence of the Russian nation is not in danger is no optoin. It is politicans in the west who make up red lines not to cross. The very easy way to recognise is that the Russians know, that NATO is a deffending organisatiion, is that they redeploy military assets from NATO borders (or Nato if nato is able to pay off Orban and Erdogan) to Ukraine.

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Now I don’t have much love lost for the new conscripts that Russia has mobilized as they were content to believe in the propaganda that the Russian government and media were spewing forth until suddenly they were being called up then mass panic set in for those who got their conscript notification now they want to leave their country because they are going to war. Those who flee their country are reminded daily about their leaders failed war and its cost in whichever country they flee to. Many Russians also do not understand the hate and aggression towards them in many of these countries mostly because they believed the lies their leaders and media spouted.

It is believed that between 50-70,000 conscripts are already in Ukraine and somewhere between 2-500 have been killed and somewhere around 2500 have been wounded and an untold amount have been captured as POWs. The horror stories many of these conscripts tell are almost unbelievable if it weren’t for the fact that it is so well documented.

A news crew followed A group of 100 conscripts from Moscow spent 11 days living in a stadium with no cots and limited bedding for the 2200 conscripts staying there. Most had no uniforms and no military kit was available and no food, many of the conscripts went out to buy food to eat or cook and even pleaded with the news crew to buy them food.

On the 11th day 14 busses showed up and 450 conscripts were loaded up and taken on a 2 day journey to a marshalling area east of Valuyki and dropped off with no weapons, no training, no leadership and no idea what was going on. They spent 2 days sleeping in cots under the trees with no protection from the wind or weather. On the third day 3 transport trucks and a group of 20 soldiers showed up and told the men to line up behind each truck and were then handed AK 47s with three clips of ammunition then taken to a field where they were shown how to load their weapons, clear jams and were each allowed to fire three rounds of ammunition.

That night all 450 conscripts were loaded into civilian vehicles and driven to a marshalling point some 80 km behind the front lines. There waiting for them were military transports that loaded between 5 and 40 conscripts and taken to the front lines with a weapon no military kit, no helmets or ballistic vests and virtually no training and thrown into the front lines of Svatove where the news crew was not allowed to travel and they have no idea what happened to those recruits.

All told the conscripts spent 17 days either waiting or being transported with next to no training, no experience, no protection and deposited on the front lines of a war that will likely kill them.

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So they got to fire three rounds and clear jams. Wonder how many could disassemble then reassemble their weapons? I guess if they were being recalled to service they would have prior training. I would call this criminal malpractice on their citizens.

When they surrender to Ukraine, perhaps they should returned home to let their story spread

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If no one’s Nuclear doctrine has changed then there should be no danger except that Ukraine has now invaded Russia’s brand new provinces. This gives Russia the legal right to defend themselves. I don’t know what Russia will do but I suspect nato will do nothing to kill Russians.

One side maybe both sides are bluffing. A classic game of chicken.

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Only Russia is prolonging the war.

Helping a victim against a bully isn’t bullying.

Easy way out: GTFO and pay for reconstruction. Only Putin holds up such a peace.

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Mohammedov Saheedov al Sahavov?

I think this lady has asked a person able to deal with your questions:

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Instead of :bomb: bombing each other to smithereens citing ancient and imagined historical causes some other old enemies are working on joint science and space missions. An idea :bulb:. Posting this to show that there are better alternatives and that there are ALSO positive developments.

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This video is not propaganda but honest about problems, sorry it is in German but the automatic subtitles work:

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Over the past several years several NATO countries have been providing aid, equipment, training and support to Ukraine now in an odd twist Ukrainian forces are training the west on the usage of drones, how to combat them and how to weaponize them. Ukrainians have unintentionally become the experts on drone warfare and usage on the modern battlefield against a modern military.

One of the biggest take always that has been learned is even cheap small $150 drones can be weaponized to drop a hand grenade or small explosive charge onto enemy positions. Whereas western nations envisioned expensive big drones were the way to go, they are now learning that small drones can be an even bigger threat than the big ones and how devastating effective small cheap drones can be.

While numbers are not available for how many drones the Ukrainians have it is thought to be several thousand drones from small camera drones to the big surveillance drones which the Ukrainians have made great use of.

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