The valiant Defenders of Ukraine

Ukrainian forces are east of the Dnipro at many places.

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I do not think it is a sword, it is just people:

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Yes they are just people in need of food and shelter and if they can’t get it there they will turn into refugees and move. I believe that is an opportunity for Ukraine but it requires logistics to make sure it happens. I saw video of the first food semi rolling in. That is what wins people.

I agree both sides need a refit, rest and resupply. Will the offensive continue? If it were Patton there I would say yes because he knew both sides are equally tired but he knew where his supplies were coming from, Ukraine, not so much.

As to where? The Dnieper may be a boundary near Kherson but the road to Mariupol might be the next step. I think the Ukrainian generals have performed pretty well so far so I will look forward to the next step and maybe Russia will realize, it’s not worth it.

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At least in the winter more Ukrainians will seek shelter and safty in the EU.

Interesting view, comments are welcome :pray:

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Europe`s center of gravity has moved eastward since 1990. The “Intermarium” has worked as well for Poland as the “Megala Idea” for Greece. I doubt that the former Warshaw Pact nations see Polish nationalism as a common sence against France and Germany. And the German goverment has beeing as firm as Poland, and the Baltic States: “They want Ukraine’s victory to be unequivocal.”

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I read this but I’m not sure how to take it. Center of power shifts happen a lot and governments have to adjust. Does it really matter to the people though? For 30 years the US was NATO and that has shifted. Germany was militarily strong in the late Cold War and they let that deteriorate on purpose because they no longer felt threatened. Poland has always felt threatened so they are very determined. I see it as a healthy growth.

I could be wrong. I live in a country used to being in charge but our power has shifted over the years too. I don’t feel we are nearly as strong as we used to be but we try to adapt.

Btw Poland just took took missiles from Russia today. Mistakes happen but when people die from them, bad things can happen.

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And every one was happy about it. Today the stupid people are sceaming: “Germany is not providing the weapons Ukraine needs”.

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We have to hope that the Polish goverment accept that the missiles are misfires and are not an article 5 event.

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Totally agree. I saw one report they were S300’s which might have been part of the effort to shoot down the last wave of Russian infrastructure attacks.

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W seem to agree a lot lately. If it turns out a provocation to create dissent between NATO members be wise and not escalate with full scale. The latter IMO is likely as Putin might go down the escalation path to “strengthen “ his negotiation position. Disclaimer I wrote might because I cannot mindread him an am getting tired of columnists who think they cam read his mind, ( very smart people thought that and failed)

This is the main target of KGB/Stasi/RussianFSB mode of operation: Do not sell your point, push your adversarry to be doomed to infighting. Promote the KKK and faked black militants in the US (it is in the Mueller reports), the dissent is the success.

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Sure bad things can and do happen but at the same time was this a mistake or was this a test? Poland has to decide was this an act of provocation or was it an accident in either case it leaves Poland in an unenviable position that can put Article 5 to the test or deal with an already tense population with no action militarily or politically.

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Trying to create dissent and breaking alliances is nothing new although the gullible West is massively exporting to Kazachstan which has an economic Union. source Financieel dagblad :newspaper_roll: (the reliable Dutch financial times). But like with Nordstream and a gazzillion other examples profit over principles.

This is a good article on an escalation path which like in 1962 might go to Nuclear :radioactive: Testing like it did 60 years ago. The sensible thing would not to escalate beyond trhe sensible. Then again people are beating the war drums an in the West there is little realization that we ARE in a proxy war with Russia and her Allies.

Here is a possible escalation path. Note in my view an accidental rocket :rocket: in Poland didn’t occur when the Russians targeted the Western volunteers coming in. Expect more escalations and self righteous ego’s.

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No, Ukraine is in in a war of elementary self defence. The “proxy war” story is the russian fairy tale. The Ukrainians are not pawns. They are the victims who fight back (with much more support than the Spanish Republic).

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Trying to clarify we are sending lots of weapons to the Ukraine which are used to kill Russians. They are at war with us and see this as a proxy war. It is a proxy war like the one in Syria :syria: we’re they US paid the good rebels and Russia sent in forces which are still there. And there are lots other examples.

To see this we need to zoom out from a Eurocentric view to a global one were the Ukraine is sadly one more example suffering is SECOND Russian invasion in 10 years.

And the Ukraine is indeed fighting for survival and Russia started it twice and we are getting Russians killed with our weapons. So Putin is bad but we want to weaken Russia and are de facto on the good side of a proxy war and. thus Russian potential targets.

The missiles hitting NATO members is the new but not unexpected, murdering people in NATO Countries is not. Eg Litvinenko.

So we are in a war and have war profiteers and luckily at least more unity in NATO than in the Putin puppet days when Merkel and Schroeder were causing division or were duped like possibly in Merkels case.

I survived the first Cold :cold_face: war I hopeour politicians learned from that one.

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Good points but I think in reality Poland will coordinate with NATO before officially reacting. A NATO state asking for an article 5 response and then getting ignored by almost all fellow members is the worst response. (And what Putin is hoping for). There are no great responses here I think just the best possibly. Disagreements are welcome here :pray:

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Myself like many others are watching this war with interest. I watch and read multiple articles from several sources and like to think I am informed and can spend up to 4 or 5 hours a day watching and reading. I have not spent money to get in-depth knowledge mostly because it is costly.

In the end I like to think I have an informed opinion.

My informed opinion on the missile strikes on Poland leads me to believe that there will be a measured response by NATO. This can include limited surgical strikes, increased sanctions, more equipment to Ukraine or political means. Article 5 is on the table but unlikely at this stage but who knows.

My personal opinion is that I want to see Article 5 enacted because how many more strikes will be accidental in nature and Russia has a history of pushing the envelope add to that if no casualties had happened Poland most likely would of been upset but 2 polish citizens were killed on their own soil and Poland needs to take a strong stand or face more “accidents” on polish soil.

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Thanks for sharing your opinion and Very good points as always. And I mean this as I appreciate your comments vert much. PS I went up to Lund in BC and I found it gorgeous and they opened a museum just for me :slight_smile:

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Well nato discusses it tomorrow and I’m sure a condemnation will occur. I expect a non military response. But they may surprise.

I favor. More sanctions and more aid to Ukraine. I suppose we could target the launchers but that is a huge step.

Russia should apologize but not sure that happens.

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