The valiant Defenders of Ukraine

Apparently, closing days of battle for Dombass is race against time, and for water. Most of Donietsk, all the way to Mariupol, is supplied from facilities at Severodonetsk. At the moment Donetsk has severe water restrictions - about two hours a day. And it will be available for another two weeks, or so.

Fears are that retreating Ukrainian forces could damage water facilities in order to cause humanitarian catastrophe. Population is asked to move to Russia, for safety but also revealing demand for water.

Again, the Ukrainian Nazis creating a genocide by purpose. Not because they are retreating under heavy fire. Russian fire that avoids Ukrainian civilians and any other non Nazi installations.

I doubt many Ukrainians would be willing to go into protection of those murdering Ukrainian

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For some time already Ukrainians that don’t identify themselves with nationalistic ideas are not seen as Ukrainians. They were oppressed and discriminated against, even murdered. They are also demonized and treated as sub-human, deserving mistreatment.
Interestingly, that applies to most non-western peoples in the west.

You could be onto something - this is an article before the war and provides view from both sides of Dombass conflict.

All the women sounded furious, blaming the government for the war and the escalation of violence. They said that everything would be better if the Ukrainian soldiers would just go away, and even suspected that Ukraine, not Russia, might have been behind some of the projectiles targeting the city.

Unless Ukrainians do identify with Russian Panslavic Imperial ideas they will:

I have been reading this topic since the beginning and I see a lot of cheering for one side or the other with some people publicly advocating in the media to escalate the war including use of nuclear weapons. Unfortunately, I do not see any perspectives that help to de-escalate the war and ultimately result in the restoration of peace. In a previous life, I knew what it was like to walk past nuclear armed missiles every day praying that today is not the day these missiles will fly, I am appalled at the suggestion to use nuclear weapons with so little thought given to its consequences. If history is our guide, where are the voices to restore peace? Not appeasement, but real peace.

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There is an easy road to peace, Russian forces can withdraw to the 1993 borders, which are still the internationally recognized ones. There is precious little scope for compromise on this point. Anything else is annexation by force and will be be internationally accepted.

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You mean like Chechens? Or other dozens of non-Russian ethicities in Russian Federation?

It is really not difficult to find out how many different nations, cultures live in Russia, are represented in government and in all aspects of country’s life - even Wikipedia has that. More than 1mil Ukrainian speakers are in Russia as well and Ukrainian is one of official languages.

Like China, India, Semites, Russia is civilization, not only nation or country.

You might like illustration.

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There is only one power in the world that declares interest in dominance and right to protect its interests in any corner of the planet - projecting its power. Same power is the only one that used nuclear weapon so far. That power has expressed disrespect for its own rules and agreements it made on many occasions.
For many years leaders of other powers, and many other nations have warned that such situation is unsustainable and that it will eventually lead to instability and global confrontation, potentially war as well.

Eventually is now. It is unfortunate that people of Ukraine have to suffer consequences of mistakes of their incompetent leadership at vassal status to the world hegemon.

Until new world order, based on collaboration instead of competition, is established there will be no true peace.

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Cool video, I wonder what the Inuit in Northern Siberia, I have bought some of their artwork.

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I see you have learned nothing then? You probably did not even bother reading my comments then, because you know they are right and you can’t debunk them. Instead you return to your old habits of spewing baseless claims and blatant propaganda.

Also, how dare you misuse Katyusha to make a political point.

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I did read your comments. And you are absolutely right, I can’t debunk them. Time will do that.

Which claims are that? That Russians in Ukraine were denied use of their language? That those opposing Nazis in Ukraine were persecuted and even murdered? That Ukrainians were waging war on other Ukrainians for past eight years?

There seams to be lack of understanding of Russia here, its complexities, its civilization, so I found that the video is pretty effective way of illustrating that. Sorry that it didn’t work for you.

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Indeed you can’t, because your arguments are crap and time will only prove me even more right.

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Completely baseless bullshit this is. It does not belong here, nor anywhere else.

I never agitated agains the Russian people or its culture. What I do take issue with are its rulers, its systematic agression against its neighbours and the suppression of the subcultures that it shares its lands with. I will return to appreciating Russia’s complexities and civilization once its leaders stop comitting these heinous crimes.

It is absolutely despicable of you to defend such a regime by referring to the good people of Russia as if this is something they want or have a right to.

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Oliver Stone has provided plenty of evidence about all of that. I find it pretty solid base.

That is what you fail to understand. Russia is not a nation, not a country, it is a civilization. As such, it had to deal with all kinds of western idiots with adventurist ambitions, coming and going. And it had to put them in their place. It will do the same with this recent bunch that finds that murdering half a million children is price worth their ambition.

But, you can learn more about Russia, its history, its rulers, their relationship with its people and also how that civilization evolved, in a brilliant historic documentary series about Romanovs.

I think that if you try bit harder, and look into facts, rather than propaganda, you would find out that particular regime has done plenty of good stuff for Russian people since the time it came to power. That could explain why that regime has support of its people higher than probably any of western regimes has at the moment. And why it has respect of the most of the world as well.
Me personally, I’m quite comfortable in company of Oliver Stone and brilliant Scott Ritter.

Let us hope that common sense will prevail and world leaders will navigate away from much bigger tragedy than end of empire already is.

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You can stop peddllng the ‘Ukrainian Nazi’ line. It is untrue, a slanderous libel and a defilement of the memory the victims of Naziism.

And before you start, my country (Canada) was at war with Germany while the Soviet Union was still honouring the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

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Yes, Oliver Stone, the guy famous for taking it loose with the facts of history and cozying up to dictators like Chavez. I would be very careful to accept evidence from a source like that.

And Scott Ritter blew the dog whistle within 2 minutes when he called out Iraq instead of Ukraine. We can clearly see his priorities here.

Also, how is it that you are so hypocritical when it comes to multiple different views. Somehow, you think we need them, but when we provide them to you, you dismiss it as fake news. When I however take a genuine effort to dig into your sources and point out how they are not at all facts, you dismiss any criticism. I am sorry, but I can’t take you serious if you are this much of a hypocrite.

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As I said, time will tell how truthful your sources are - Ukraine’s parliament moves to remove Human Rights Ombudsman because she could not support with evidence claims of rape by Russian soldier.

“The incomprehensible concentration of the Ombudsman’s media work on numerous details of “sexual crimes committed in an unnatural way” and “child rape” in the occupied territories, which she could not confirm with evidence, only harmed Ukraine and diverted the attention of the world media from the real needs of Ukraine,”

In Serbia they say - “lies have short legs”, meaning it can’t go very far.

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And another one - problem with having a comedian as a leader:

“Maybe the war could have been avoided if Zelensky had been forced to pledge that his country would not join NATO, or had been forced to grant a high degree of autonomy to Luhansk and Donetsk in the east,” Abe noted, according to ‘The Economist’.

Former Japanese PM, Abe obviously knows who makes decisions in Ukraine:

Moreover, the former Japanese PM added that US President Joe Biden could influence Zelensky to change his position.

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That’s true, which is why nobody believes your arguments.

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