Spartacus, this question has been a deep one. Why did the Allies, especially America, did not do anything to combat racism in their armies?

[kingdynomite4456]

I mean, he could’ve still achieve stuff without them right? Right?

[kingdynomite4456]

I was tryna put my best 40s social political voice their heh. I take blame for that

[NormanStewart]

Not exactly, from what I could figure out.

[kingdynomite4456]

So basically, ignore racists and lose getting bills passed or listen and risk backlash…

[NormanStewart]

That’s quite the biased way of looking at the '40s, my friend. May I suggest this editorial from 1941?

Man lynched by Florida mob (5-13-41)

The Pittsburgh Press (May 17, 1941) FAIR ENOUGH By Westbrook Pegler New York – According to the newspaper accounts, the lynching of a Negro in a little town in northwestern Florida a few nights ago was an episode which, for bestiality, could be matched only in cultural exercises of the super-race of Adolf Hitler. Suspected but not yet formally accused of criminal assault on a white child, the victim was roped to a tree, shot and left for dead, but crawled to a refuge and there was recaptu…

[NormanStewart]

This one, too (though this is more general than U.S.-specific):

Editorial: Racial barriers (6-23-42)

The Pittsburgh Press (June 23, 1942) [img] Racial barriers By Mrs. Walter Ferguson Pearl Buck, in a recent article in The New York Times Magazine, says: If racial barriers stand we must be prepared for nothing but struggle. Thus she uncovers what most of our people fear to see – the fact that Japan’s sweep through Pacific areas is due to a blood kinship with the conquered peoples. In most of the learned discussions about the behavior of India’s leaders, that vital point is missed. It …

[NormanStewart]

Once again, a little more complicated than that.

[kingdynomite4456]

1. I expected my home state, Florida, to be in a newspaper bit. I apologize for that. They don’t know how to act down here.

2. I… Actually never knew that part. Everything I’ve read about 40s sociopolitical standpoint in the 40s been whitewashed in history books.

3. I think I get it. So, in FDR eyes, if he ignored the racist base of the Democratic Party, he would, not only lose on legislation, but risk losing either the presidency, Congress, or both. (If that’s wrong too, I understand. I don’t wanna bore nobody with governmental terminology)

[NormanStewart]

@kingdynomite4456

I expected my home state, Florida, to be in a newspaper bit. I apologize for that. They don’t know how to act down here.

No need to. Don’t ever apologize for events you had no control over

@kingdynomite4456

Everything I’ve read about 40s sociopolitical standpoint in the 40s been whitewashed in history books.

I’d argue the entire history of the early-to-mid 20th century is not actually taught properly. Just not in the way the activists say it is.

@kingdynomite4456

I think I get it. So, in FDR eyes, if he ignored the racist base of the Democratic Party, he would, not only lose on legislation, but risk losing either the presidency, Congress, or both.

Pretty much that way, though it’s not just FDR being spineless. According to black newspapers in the '30s, he himself also put forth segregation policies when he was Assistant Secretary of the Navy during World War I.

[kingdynomite4456]

I mean if I was FDR, I’d risk it. I wouldn’t care about the names and stuff.

But that leads to a bigger question. Why not hire or least appointment Black or poc ppl to top government position? Couldn’t that, in the short term, pushed for harder changes?

[NormanStewart]

@kingdynomite4456

Why not hire or least appointment Black or poc ppl to top government position? Couldn’t that, in the short term, pushed for harder changes?

He did have a Black Cabinet of advisers in his administration. In fact, I discussed one of those advisers in that “racism in the U.S. Army” post I linked earlier.

[sjwoz]

This is an excellent resource indeed.

[kingdynomite4456]

I did. I mean, like how we got the Congressional Black Caucus now or like how Biden Cabinet is. Idk, I’m always for change.

This question still lingers, why was the president, of all people, so scared… Of a small (into today terms) of a base in Congress? Couldn’t he technically fire em? Again, I get the risks and all, but why not risk it, so that everyone could’ve been treated a little fairly. But I digress

[NormanStewart]

@kingdynomite4456

why was the president, of all people, so scared… Of a small (into today terms) of a base in Congress? Couldn’t he technically fire em? Again, I get the risks and all, but why not risk it, so that everyone could’ve been treated a little fairly. But I digress

Because it wasn’t that small a base?

[NormanStewart]

@kingdynomite4456

how we got the Congressional Black Caucus now or like how Biden Cabinet is. Idk, I’m always for change.

Controversial comment, but change for the sake of change is not the way to go. That’s what the left fails to realize.

[kingdynomite4456]

Man, based sucks a lot when it’s used for evil. Dang social norms then.

I mean like change. Like racial change, social change. Economic change. Those type of changes back than. FDR, if you would take a political test on him, he’d idk he’d be left of moderate? Can’t say since he’s dead.

But, why didn’t he or his staffers condemn Britain? I never understood why he didn’t. I mean I do, but I mean I also don’t

(Condemn em during WW2)

[NormanStewart]

@kingdynomite4456

Dang social norms then.

It wasn’t social norms either. Most of the populace was rather apathetic, if not sympathetic.

[kingdynomite4456]

Days like this, wish we had a time machine.

[NormanStewart]

@kingdynomite4456

FDR, if you would take a political test on him, he’d idk he’d be left of moderate

Definitely farther left.

[kingdynomite4456]

That’s what I like about him, although he could’ve done a lot more. Both from a health issue (yk cuz he didn’t live to see yk) and government side. But we see why, so I understand that part now