PH World War Two 017

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Sappers at the bridge construction near Finnish frontier post Yappinen(Joutselkä, now Simagino).

Original source is the Russian State Documentary Film & Photo Archive (RGAKFD):
http://photo.rgakfd.ru/showObject.do?object=1806266195
Licensing situation unclear

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A foxhole for a man who would throw a satchel charge at a tank as it drove past. Summa 14.12.1939

2 photos of Russian tanks taken at the battle of Summa. 01.12.1939

All pics were taken from SA-kuva. They are free to use as long as you mark SA-kuva as the source somewhere.

Btw did you make a mistake at with “Lähde and Lähde road” beacuse I can’t find either of those anywhere?

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Great Photo’s, thanks for the effort!

Lähde road is what the script says, but now that i’m checking it myself i have difficulties finding online references to it. I’ll ask indy.

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Indy’s response:

yeah, it’s real- and it’s going to be important again in February. Your main problem looking it up is that it is not part of Finland any more, The whole Karelian Isthmus is part of Russia now. I don’t know the Russian name, but I know where it is.
Here’s a good description of where it was (Url on here’s).

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I think this link requires us to actually have access to this book
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Russian Wiki says there is nothing there anymore. Is this Lähde road where Fort Poppius stands?

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Lähde in red circle

This photo of destroyed T-28 is attributed to the first Soviet attack at Lähde(in December) by several russian articles, but the origin of photo and licensing status is unclear:

https://helpiks.org/6-66249.html

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Not a tank, but hey, it has 45mm cannon! (BA-10 armored cars that just had crossed the Finnish border)

Licensing status unclear

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Hey @noariki, the Russian photos are really great! Those are the photos we would almost never have found ourselves. But about the Licensing. Is the source of the photo never mentioned? And doesn’t the Russian state archive have any rules for this? I tried to look but Google Translate is a rough tool to find this out with.

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In the armored car case, I couldn’t find where they came from, there just a bunch of yandex users who uploaded them to their photo storages, I will double check the links. As for sappers photo, RGAKFD doesn’t have any clear statement on the site. They do provide the service of creating digital copies of photos(about 4$ a piece for a lowest resolution, list is here(russian only) Прейскурант работ и услуг | Российский государственный архив кинофотодокументов (РГАКФД)) but don’t mention if it implies any form of licensing.
You might have a better luck writing to them filmarchives@aha.ru (I guess I could do that on your behalf)
(They do have more sappers photos :smiley: )
Another thing regarding sappers, by the way. My understanding is that the “Big” thing for Soviet sappers during the Winter War was blowing up some of the bunkers of the Mannerheim Line, but that only started happening after new year and so all the photos of them dragging explosives to Finnish positions come from 1940. Did you mean to ask for those, or do you actually want the ones from 1939 for some foreshadowing?

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@noariki According to Spartacus, photo’s taken by the Soviet government including the Red Army before 1989 is public domain. About the sappers, pictures closest to the timeframe we’re talking about (which still is 1939) is the best, but for the sake of illustration, 1940 would work as well.

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I guess that would mean that as long as you get the digital copy of a photo you might be in a clear. Does the Soviet Government clause include Soviet front line correspondents?

My question regarding sappers was, what do you want them to do in the picture :slight_smile:

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Snippet from the script: ‘The village of Lähde itself, 5km down the road, is an important strategic junction. The attack here is begun by Russian sappers. They creep in close to the Finnish defenses under cover of the barrage and they then set off huge explosive charges that blow open paths in the rocks and barbed wire. 50 tanks then attack in a wedge and break into the Finnish trench network.’

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So, armored cars photo is by Mark Redkin
Военный альбом: Бронеавтомобили БА-10 на марше после пересечения советско-финской границы. Карельский перешеек.
The scans might have come from this photobook:


The photo also seems to be available at Central State Documentary Film & Photo Archive of Saint-Petersburg

subscription is required to see the photo on the website, but author/description and date match

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Soviet sappers delivering explosives to the bunkers at Summakylä (February 1940)
http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/soviets.71fobju0pu040owks40wokg8o.ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4.th.jpeg
Strangely enough, the sources that I was looking through mention nothing about sappers being at Lähde on 17th of December, but I guess Indy would know better.
Source:
Военный альбом: Советские саперы выдвигаются к финским ДОТам в районе Сумма-Хотинен (финское обозначение - укрепрайон "Суммакюля").
original source:
https://www.amazon.com/Sovetsko-finlyandskaya-1939-1940-Karelskom-pereshejke-Fotoalbom/dp/B0725K7WRD
RGAKFD appears to have the photos from the same batch but not this specific one:
http://photo.rgakfd.ru/showObject.do?object=1806264501
http://photo.rgakfd.ru/showObject.do?object=1806264290

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One of the two T-28 Finnish army captured at Lähde
http://waralbum.ru/wp-content/uploads/yapb_cache/sfa03_sfa022804526_x.58nbhdec6sg0ccckwcco404gs.ejcuplo1l0oo0sk8c40s8osc4.th.jpeg
I’m not sure about original source, but the photo was featured on the cover of
Cover 1940 Schweizer Illustrierte Zeitung

bunkerbooks.weebly.com

https://www.google.ru/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fbunkerbooks.weebly.com%2Fuploads%2F4%2F6%2F1%2F2%2F46126451%2F1940-3-17-januar_orig.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fbunkerbooks.weebly.com%2Fcover-1940-schweizer-illustrierte-zeitung.html&docid=Qh71-9SAgwfhYM&tbnid=hE9NqIIKvML2LM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwiojbWwlpbfAhWEiSwKHW_oCY0QMwhzKCswKw..i&w=768&h=1019&hl=ru&bih=966&biw=1920&q=schweizer%20illustrierte%20zeitung%201940&ved=0ahUKEwiojbWwlpbfAhWEiSwKHW_oCY0QMwhzKCswKw&iact=mrc&uact=8

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Not exactly, but an issue of Kazahstanskaya Pravda from 21.12.1939, congratulating Stalin:

Source: Radio Svoboda

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Public domain

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The edit of Ww2 017 is almost finished. Almost all submitted pictures in this picturehunt thread were used. The leaderboard will be adjusted to the score for this episode.

:trophy: Results for the WW2 017 picturehunt :trophy:

:1st_place_medal: First place with 7 photos @noariki

:2nd_place_medal: Second place with 3 photos @Erkki

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