You are welcome, indeed there are always multiple causes. I canāt see why some people want to narrow it down to one cause. E.g. when I bought my house, said yes to a job I did have multiple advantages and disadvantages to consider. For the people involved in those decisions it must have been wildly complex knowing that many people including themselves were at the risk of losing their lives. Like today they probably also often listened to experts. (OK I shouldnāt mention Covid but it is kind of a war against a virus with hard decisions whatever we think).
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ā.āpolitionele actiesā I am confident that this forum and community is on the right track to ānever forgetāā
Politionele actions, like it was just a āpolice kind of action to arrest the criminalsā exactly describes how the mess in Indonesia has been minimized. It seemed more like a continuous war in Atjeh and putting up the locals against each other. When I was young there still was the ānostalgic viewā of Indonesia (well there still is). One of the things that horrified me were the tourist guides of the thirties with pictures of barebreasted local women. It is not hard to see the subtext there. I donāt believe in āinherited guiltā but a lot of Dutch people are still very unaware how Indonesians feel about Dutch politicians who lecture them on environmental issues etc. Or just plainly are unaware that āweā were in India as well. Actually I always get good feedback when I show my knowledge of our darker history.
What I like about Timeghost TV is that they really, really do their absolute best to tell about the horrors. And I learned a log of new stuff from the Indonesia episodes.
I wish we had more people from India/Japan and other places on this forum. I am trying to spread the word though. This series is monumental.
Best Regards,
Marc /Chewie 
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Although your reply is beside the point of this topic, I couldnāt agree with you more, Marc.
I appreciate and share your enthusiasm for the opportunity Timeghost gives us to actually discuss issues that are most important to try and work on world peace and mutual respect and understanding.
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I appreciate all the points made here. Might have to keep them in mind for my America at war! thread in 1945 
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Norman, you just made my day! I am really stoked that we can contribute to your content!
I appreciate you and all the Timeghost Army very much!
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Thank you! 
Check out that thread to see more on Americaās involvement and how the media at large covered the war.
Itās just that I just got demoted again (thanks stupid trust system) so Iām in a bit of a lull regarding the updates on the America at war! thread. The reason I create wikis of the posts is because I want to edit them long after the post is written.
@avalantis A little help?
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Thatās history for you, before you know it you are part of it
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Thatās a good thing to say. The more I covered the war in 1941-42, the more I realized the similarities in news coverage to the coverage of the War on Terror in 2001-02. Pretty interesting, aināt it?
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I sense kindered spirits, I guess
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Nice! 
Make sure to go through that thread and please note, most of the articles are incomplete so would you mind helping me out by editing them? I have the newspapers written in the first posts of certain days (Check out the Pittsburgh Press archive on Google)
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My friend, youāll get nothing substantial from that dreck. Even my college professor, a Stone fan, shredded it to pieces back in the day.
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I will ask Spartacus
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Make sure to give an officerās rank if this hassle continues
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You can have my leader rank, you deserve it! Note: I already chewed up all the cookies in the officers lounge 
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Oh thanks. Still havenāt received my wiki abilities back tho.
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I would take issue with your claim that Iāll āget nothing substantial from that dreck.ā I never gave an opinion about the Oliver Stone series as a whole. I simply referenced it as the original source I encountered to the topic at hand. So, my friend, from that point, I would argue that I did get something substantial from it.
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Oh I see. Itās just I personally donāt consider Stone to be a reliable source, Iām sorry.
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Hello Harry,
What you are suggesting here is born out by official documents from the Japanese Imperial Archives. Despite what we have been told, the atomic weapons used at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not what forced the hand of the Japanese. Frankly the firebombing of Tokyo had been more destructive of life and material than either nuclear weapon. In their own words, the Japanese high command feared invasion by the USSR and the subsequent execution of the Emperor and the eternal shame of the nation of Japan as a result. (One might also suppose that the USSR seemed the greater of the various evils). Soviet attacks in Manchuria unilaterally overwhelmed the best remaining troops in Japanās Army within a fortnight. Soviet operations on Sakhalin and the Kuriles were also rapidly successful, and in the case of Sakhalin continued after the official Japanese surrender, much to the annoyance of the Russians. While the Western Allies like to point to the use of nuclear weapons as the knock-out blow, this was not the thinking of the Japanese in their own documents.
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Thank you for your input! Nice to see you agree on the matter! I cannot emphasize enough how much both major victors of ww2 already were engaging into the conflict, we call the Cold War, which was not so cold, considering all the tragic casualties it did produce: never forget!
Again I really appreciate your added comments on my topic and I believe that it is very important to stay unbiased when we discuss history, although that can be a challenge sometimes
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Interesting points, do you have links to primary sources like mine to the surrender speech of Hiro Hito were he mentions the bomb as the main cause of surrender.
Japan as the ones on the receiving end of the A bomb always argue understandable against it. Japanese history of the bomb never even show no context and āforgetā the Japanese āA-bomb projectsā, the Navy and Army had their own. The Army project was actually annihilated by the Tokyo bombing ( by accident).
The Soviets had a much better land Army they had showed In 1939 and the 1945 attack was successful but the did not have the naval assets to go against mainland Japan
Japanese historians mention indeed the invasion of Sakhalin Island as āevidenceā. Well see the treaty of Portsmouth, Japan invaded Sakhalin in 1905 and remained on the part below the 50th parallel. On the 11th August the Soviets started a land offensive to get it back. This went on after the 15th August as the Soviets were grabbing territory.
The Kuriles are another example. Gee it was invaded causing the Japanese to surrender (revisionist āhistoriansā tend to forget dates or print August 1945 which is technically correct. The 18th August 1945 was however after the surrender speech and Hiro-Hito was in no position to restart a war just against the Soviets. (well they did join the anti-Soviet coalition much later.
So in my view, yes the A-bomb is horrible, the Japanese had a rightful fear of being colonised but the A-bomb made their strategy to defeat The Allied invasion unattainable. The Americans would eventually nuke away any opposition. Glad the latter never happed.
Ps I know these Japanese text can be very convincing. On of my school assignment was to examine a revisionist work on Nanking and we really had to Double check everything with prime sources .
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