Youngstown Vindicator (September 2, 1945)
Inside story of Nazi surrender –
Hitler kept Nazis in line to last
Himmler shrank before his rages, count who arranged pre-surrender meetings reports
By Count Folke Bernadotte
Count Folke Bernadotte of Wisborg, nephew of King Gustav of Sweden, who arranged for the meetings preliminary to Germany’s surrender, here begins a report of the hitherto secret history of negotiations leading to that surrender. This is the first of a series.
The chief of the security police, Obergruppenfuehrer Ernst Kaltenbrunner, was courteous enough as he offered me American cigarettes and French vermouth, but his look was cold and inquiring. Our meeting was at Kaltenbrunner’s luxurious home at Wannsee, on the day following my arrival in Berlin, on February 16, 1945.
My immediate object was to convince Kaltenbrunner, Heinrich Himmler’s second-in-command in the Gestapo, that it was essential for me to meet his chief. Only by seeing Himmler could I hope to have Danish and Norwegian political prisoners evacuated to Sweden from German concentration camps.
Not only had nature provided Kaltenbrunner with the necessary qualifications for his present job and earlier as Heydrich’s successor in Czechoslovakia, but in appearance he was all that one would expect a Gestapo chief to be. He suggested that I should explain my objects to him, for transmission to his chief I had to get him sufficiently interested to arrange a meeting with Himmler, without giving away the real object of my visit.
“As you are doubtless aware,” I told him, “relations between Sweden and Germany are extremely bad… Reichsminister Himmler occupies a position which would make it possible for him to adopt measures calculated to improve Swedish-German relations.”
Progress
I told him no, but added my views were shared generally and that Germany could not afford to make an enemy of Sweden. It took time, but when I left, I felt that I had made good progress.
The Minister for Foreign Affairs, Joachim von Ribbentrop, received me at the Foreign Office. Ribbentrop seemed to be in excellent form, and filled with the consciousness of his own importance and dignity. He invited me to be seated by the fire, and immediately began to talk. I surreptitiously started my stopwatch.
Only a few hours after my arrival in Berlin, the Foreign Office was reported to be greatly interested in my visit, and especially anxious to know my reasons for wishing to meet Himmler. It was no secret that relations between Von Ribbentrop and the head of the Gestapo were decidedly cool.
Ribbentrop talks only
I stopped my stopwatch. Ribbentrop had talked for one hour and seven minutes without my being given an opportunity to get in a word.
Commenting on his own personal achievements with simulated humanity, he explained that Hitler had succeeded in convincing the German workingman of the necessity for retaining the classes that make up society, though these had to be adapted to the Nazi ideology.
Bolshevism, on the other hand, taught that the privileged classes must be “liquidated.” This, in Ribbentrop’s opinion, was the fundamental difference between the two systems.
Everything had shown that war between Germany and Russia was inevitable, and reliable evidence had actually been received that it was Russia’s intention to attack Germany in August 1941.
Every bomb Churchill and Roosevelt dropped on Germany, he said, was helping Russia and was another nail in the coffins of the British Empire and the USA. He told me he was at that very moment making a last attempt, through special channels, to convince the governments of the Anglo-Saxon countries of the fate that awaited Europe if Germany were to collapse. Though he had very little hope of success, he was going to appeal to Churchill and Roosevelt to stop the offensive in the west and the aerial bombardments.
‘Humanitarian’ Hitler
Here he turned to address a question to me. Who, he asked, did I regard as the contemporary who had contributed most to humanity. Without giving me time to reply, he answered, “Adolf Hitler. Unquestionably, Adolf Hitler.”
Before I left, Ribbentrop asked me if I had any concrete proposals, I had no intention of letting him know my real objects. He approved of what I told him and said he was glad I was going to meet Himmler.
There was no doubt that he now realized the game was lost, but he believed that he had a solution. He would reverse his famous coup of 1939 when he made the pact with Russia.
Two days later, my request for an interview with Himmler was granted. At 5 p.m. that day, I was driven to Hohen-Luchen, a large hospital 75 miles north of Berlin. The man who came to accompany me was Brigadefuehrer Walther Schellenberg, a man of about 35, who struck me as being the antithesis of Kaltenbrunner. A lawyer by profession, in 1940 he was appointed head of the political section of the German intelligence service, and in 1944 head of the whole organization.
Tried to change policy
In this capacity, I gathered, he had worked hard to change the policy of the Third Reich, especially its foreign policy. He had, moreover, tried to oppose the bestialities of the Gestapo. He told me later that Kaltenbrunner hated him; had even, though without success, tried to make Himmler believe he was in the pay of the British secret service.
Now I was to meet Heinrich Himmler, supreme head of the SS, the Gestapo, and the whole German police system, Minister of the Interior and commander-in-chief of the home army, the man who by his terror system had stained politics with crime in a manner hitherto unknown, and who, by his very system, had up to now held the tottering Third Reich upright.
When I suddenly saw him before me in the green Waffen-SS uniform, without any decorations and wearing horn-brimmed spectacles, he looked a typical lower grade civil servant. To my great surprise, he was extremely affable. In our talks, I found him a vivacious personality, inclined to be sentimental. He was a deft conversationalist.
Hitler still in saddle
It was evident that at that period Himmler was still in close contact with Hitler. “I have sworn loyalty to Adolf Hitler,” he told me at one point. “I cannot do anything in opposition to the Fuehrer plans and wishes.”
It is equally certain that Hitler was in full power at that time. To some extent the actual leadership may have passed out of his hands, it was easy to see that many of those nearest to him continued to have great respect for him and did not dare oppose him.
Shortly before my arrival, Himmler had made a concession to Switzerland for reasons of policy, without exacting a return concession. Hitler was seized by one of his fits of rage on learning of this, would hear no argument, and forbade the concession. It was evident that this experience was still in Himmler’s mind as we talked.
Himmler not so powerful
We talked for 2½ hours of my scheme to evacuate Scandinavian prisoners to Sweden. Himmler sought concessions I could not demand. One felt the shadow of Hitler over us all along. It was evident that Himmler was not so powerful as many believed.
At length, I succeeded in persuading him to think over my proposals. Later, Schellenberg, who had been with us throughout, told me the matter was as good as settled.
When I said goodbye to Himmler, he turned to Schellenberg and asked him if he had chosen a good chauffeur for me. Schellenberg replied that he had the best man to be found on account of the many tank traps and barricades erected on the road to Berlin.
“Good,” said Himmler. “Otherwise, the Swedish papers might come out with big headlines: ‘War Criminal Himmler Murders Count Bernadotte’.”