War is the crime. If there is a war there will be war crimes.
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A large part of Russiaâs ruling elite seem in love with the historical borders of the Russian Empire. Which were, frankly more fluid than most empires in Europe due to space and population density.
And Russiaâs willingness to expand them.
Ukraine voted 90% in favour of leaving the Soviet Union in 1991, a fact which Moscow has overlooked but explains much of what we are seeing now.
The people were asked what they wanted, received what they wanted and seem determined to keep it.
Romantic history is fun but it shouldnât dictate reality.
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Exactly, Putin clearly commited a crime against peace. I may not be an international criminal lawyer, but I donât think this is hard to proof. During the nuremburg trials it was agreed upon by the international military tribunal that:
âTo initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.â
And this was subsequently used during the Tokyo trials as well. That said, it does not mean that a conviction for a crime of aggression automatically makes you guilty of war crimes as well. Rudolf Hess for example was convicted of the aggression charge, but not on war crimes themselves. That is still life imprisonment though, so yeah, I hope this in itself can be acted upon to put out an international arrest warrant.
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The most useless profession to save lives. There is war. We are helpless, exept caring about the victims we are able to care about.
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Well spoken. I totally agree with you about war itself being a war crime when it is launched offensively without just reasons.
But what if it is launched for Just reasons? The US confirmed that Ukraine has (and funded by the US) âbio defenseâ labs. What is the difference between a Bio defense lab and a bio weapons lab? Not much when you have and study the materials that make up bio weapons.
Do I think Ukraine was planning to use biological weapons? No. Using the in your own country would be madness by why was the US funding this? Hard to call it a conspiracy theory when the US government websites are the source of the information. Disgraceful and immoral. You would think after the last 2 years we would learn about bio labs and their dangers when kept secret.
The heroes of Ukraine are being used by both sides in this war and it is the average person and perhaps unwilling soldiers paying the price as always.
Maybe NATO should remove the US as unfit to lead.
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No⌠I donât want that! NATO finding another country to lead? I want the US to lead NATO. Even after I die, for 10 years at least!
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NATO is a defensive pact , if a NATO nation is attacked then other NATO nations have promised to help fight back.
If a NATO nation starts with an attack the other NATO nations have no obligation to help.
So starting something with a nation with a madman who will have no problem with using nukes is a big risk.
Russia should be removed from the permanent UN security council membership , after the USSR disbanded Russia took the spot from the USSR .
Maybe then the UN could step in with embargoâs
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A bio defence lab is usualy a euphemism for a Bio hazard detection lab. Defenses are âstay at homeâ orders, mask and vaccination mandates. And the bio lab which is accused as a ptotential source was never a secret but a well known part of international science.
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And I would have agreed with you normally. There are many kinds of labs and most are perfectly harmless but then they wouldnât need to have materials that the United States is concerned about falling into Russian hands. They also wouldnât need to have the harmful components there.
The US has confirmed they funded research in China too. I doubt the lab in Wuhan was classified as a bio weapons site yet they were working with corona viruses. The official statements from the US govt in the last day have done more to confuse and deny rather than clarify.
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I donât know how you would remove Russia from the security council. They can veto any action but itâs a good thought.
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And I would have agreed with you normally.
It is not a normal situation. There is an information war going on. Any information that fits a purpose (e.g. that destroying Ukraine is selfdefense) may be created to do it. Ukrainian biowapon labs are nonsense, so I am sure they do not exist.
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The Republic of China was ousted from the security council and they didnât get to use their veto on that.
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How can you be so sure? The Ukraine 
is the the relative good guys but I am not a 100.00 % sure the havenât developed anything especially before the Zelensky period which saw the rise of the Himmler symbols adoring Azov battalion like swastikas and black suns . And again Putin is worse but I donât do proofless faithâŚ
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No one, who knows evolution is an observed fact (e.g. we are at omicron xy covid19) thinks that developing biowapons that do not backfire is cheap, or (in my humble opinion) even possible. I am not 100% sure, but sure enough to make the decission that it is more likely that this claims is a dissinformation attack.
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As far as I know the (off course existing) neonazi Ukrainian organisiations did loose importance in the Zelensky period. The Wolfsangeln are used as a symbol to connect to ukranian nazi collaborateurs. As far I know the Hakenkreuze (not svasikas) had been avoided to be used. As to my latest information there are neonazis in the Asov battalion. Which is a battalion and not the Ukrainian defence forces.
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But you should be aware that you are not studying history but enduring it. You are the target of organised disinformatin campains. You have to make decissions on what you can make decissions on. E.g. a battalion used to characterise a nation is disinformation.
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Agree, but we are ALL the target of disinformation campaigns. I totally understand that Zelenski is fighting for survival aganst a horrible enemy and that he has limited influence and needs any fighters he can get. In his position i would not dump his Azov battaillon which according the Deutsche Welle was part of
âE.g. a battalion used to characterise a nation is disinformation.â
Good point but I did not characterize an entire nation. It is great that they have a Jewish Prime Minister so they are moving away.
Totally aware and as historians this is a great example of the âfog of warâ which is in every war. The problem of historians is often that they donât have to make decisions but just write about then. E.g. Market Garde is seen as pure lunacy or a calculated risk based on limited information. The Azov battaillon or naming streets after Nazi collaborators got the Ukrain
âE.g. a battalion used to characterise a nation is disinformation.â
For 1 I did not characterize the Ukraine but it is I think we should not look away. I know the German experience with the holocaust is different from that of the Netherlands. Ad let me be clear :
1 If you want to see a black sun (which the Azov uses) go to Wevelsburg, Himmlers looney tunes religious center SAME symbol
2 The Wolfs angel or whatever their symbol that of troops who fought FOR the holocaust.
3 The Ukraine has a very complex history and I completely understand that they cannot dump their small group of extreme right idiots now as they need every rifle they can bet. BUT before they would join the Nato I expect them to get rid of them (But i doubt if it ever gets that far because the West will do no more than send weapons to them and outsource this war to the resistance and "foreign fighters as usual ! 
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And As for a Neo Nazi battaillion and there is probably a respectful difference between my and your views. I find it bad enough that Germany has a Rommel Kazerne for the man who willingly wanted to go to Palestine to slaughter Jews. He changed his mind because his side was doomed and instead of medals he could have gotten a noose around his neck. Finally If Germany ever get a small battalion with âBlack Suns/swastika like symbolâ flags from Wevelsburg I would condemn the whole of Germany if they donât get rid of it immediately. That would not be disinformation! I understand history but my family suffered under the National Socialist and carrying this symbols is not a small thing. Feel free to ask if you want to discuss that.
Oh and again Russia is horrible too and eagerly abusing the the Simon Wiesenthal center by spreading fake news through their hashtags. Very nasty methods.
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Yes there is, because I have for a long time not mistaken hitlers favorate hero for a resistance fighter:
I am sorry, so a small battalion of idiots, not Dutch but German is prooving that Germans failed to be not nazis? If you have any interrest in history: The nazis killed a lot of Germans before 1938, after that time they started to get more victims.
Yes we are, but the headline of episode 185 is a bit reenforthing the Rommel myth. We need to learn from history to do better, not to look for reasons to go into the future divided.
I agree we have much to learn from history. That includes not putting leaders on Pedestals. While I think some have no redeeming qualities even the best had flaws and that includes both sides.
I know about disinformation campaigns. The United States are experts at this just as much as Russia and China. I believe in facts but I no longer accept any story at face value. I have been lied to by both sides and the goal seems to be to program us to act how they want. With the arrival of big tech-government cooperation this has become overwhelming and in our face all the time. The US government said publicly the Ukraine has biodefense laboratories. In the same hearing they expressed concern that Russia was close to capturing these sites. Why if they are just defense would there be such concern? Is it true? Could be but too many holes to accept at face value.
TimeGhost tries to get this right. They are not perfect and as has been pointed out elsewhere they sometimes make very obvious mistakes. Do they mean to support Rommel as hero? I donât believe so but they may have made an editorial choice to not take the time to debunk his story. TimeGhost is good but never let any one source be assumed to be the whole story.
I apologize for not being as up to date on symbols and hate groups. The United States has itâs own culture of hate which is different but I believe most Americans donât let it dominate their lives. But perhaps that leaves me uninformed on your history. Just because war ended, the hate didnât go away and a group like the Azov battalion hates like our KKK but as an accepted military unit obviously itâs very concerning. They need to be disbanded and if necessary tried for war crimes. But not this week.
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